Political Correctness (PC)

[spookwriter]

Left vs. right is liberal vs. conservative. Liberals want to convert America into another socialist state such as the ones that are rapidly sinking in Europe. Conservatives want America to revert to the original Capitalist intent, i.e; get govenment out of the way so those of us who aren't afraid to work to get ahead can do so without interference from the government. Since Obama took office he and his minions have done all they can to shove America down the slippery slope of socialism by either trying to restrict our individual rights or pass new laws that prevent capitalistic businesses from knowing from one minute to the next what new efforts will be made to prevent them from having enough money left over to feed themselves and engage in R&D or hire more workers. If this doesn't clear up your understanding of left vs. right I suggest you sit back and pay attention to what's going on here before you decide to criticize our way of government.

[spookwriter]

Left vs. right is liberal vs. conservative. Liberals want to convert America into another socialist state such as the ones that are rapidly sinking in Europe. Conservatives want America to revert to the original Capitalist intent, i.e; get govenment out of the way so those of us who aren't afraid to work to get ahead can do so without interference from the government. Since Obama took office he and his minions have done all they can to shove America down the slippery slope of socialism by either trying to restrict our individual rights or pass new laws that prevent capitalistic businesses from knowing from one minute to the next what new efforts will be made to prevent them from having enough money left over to feed themselves and engage in R&D or hire more workers. If this doesn't clear up your understanding of left vs. right I suggest you sit back and pay attention to what's going on here before you decide to criticize our way of government.

[bubblegum91]

Whoa, man never criticized your government, merely asked some questions. If I came off like that, I apologize. I'm merely trying to learn. And I learn by questioning. Please do not take any of the questions I pose as an attack on you or your government. I am not. I will, however, question.
I'm still waiting for a response on just how the attacks on Christians can be construed as such. I am impatient, lack of attention span, you see?

By socialist do you mean communism? Off Wikipedia (yes, not the best source but still) it states socialism as:
an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership.[2] As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.

So the "Left" wants the above? Can you please elaborate how this would drastically affect your country and/or your basic fundamental human rights? I am curious.
And alot of European countries are very progressive in human rights and some are the opposite. Which ones are you referring to?

Can't say anything on Obama, can you please elaborate on what laws he and his Government have sought to put into effect and how they intrude on peoples' rights and freedoms?

The Conservatives are Republicans, correct?
I agree on the Conservative stance, less Government interference is always good, but you'll have to forgive me, as the news coming from your country paints them in a not so favorable light. Not all conservatives, mind you.

Some of them seem to be in favor of less birth control, no sex ed in schools, amendments to your welfare program and are in favor of making abortions illegal. A few reports have told of their efforts against the gay community. At least that is what the news reports on.
How many conservatives accept these stances?

[BlueLotus]

All right lookey here.
As a Hindu I do not celebrate Christmas, Easter or any of the other holidays that the majority of people do. We give Gifts at this time of year to our family members that do celebrate but I can not bring myself to carol, hit midnight mass etc. To each there own is my philosophy. Except when it comes to schools and my government.

Under no circumstances do I see a reason to force any belief down a child's throat. My children will say the pledge sans the words "Under God" which just happens to have been added at a later date. (1954) Nor was "God" always on our money. Here you can read more about the money change, as well as the pledge. symonsez.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/god-has-not-always-been-found-on-us-currency-or-the-pledge-of-allegiance/

And I will not tolerate a clear cut violation of our constitution by sitting back and allowing the separation of church and state to be eroded. It is bad enough that it is on my money... but it goes out nearly as fast as it comes in so I don't have to look at it too much. It is ( I hope ) becoming obsolite due to the use of Debit cards anyhow. Soon you won't be able to find Coins and bills.

Our government was never supposed to make laws that favor or prejudice one group or another. If we allow that to happen we will be back to burning innocent people at the stake for witch craft (or just the allegation of it) and we might as well re open the Bastille and just dump anyone holding an unpopular belief in there. Alcatraz for those who refuse to "Convert"

So... If that means having a "holiday tree" rather than and Christmas tree in the state capitol, and disallowing Nativity figures on government owned grounds so be it.

I also see no reason that people have to get their panties in a twist because of it. They are just words and if it goes to promoting the diversity that we as a nation were meant to hold so be it.

If we are going to give Christan's Christmas off why not give Hindus Diwalli off? Muslims Eid? Do away with the whole mess and call it a day already.

All men are created equal after all, I fully think that should cover their religious system as well.

[BlueLotus]

Oh, Bubblegum conservatives are exactly as you understand them... Nasty bits of work who want to be able to pay American works 50 cents an hour hire teens to do hard labor and skate off into the sunset while fleecing the general population. As it is they have to settle for moving off shore to third world countries where it is legal to treat people like shit and get a smile in return.

As for the other points you made about sexual education and abortion/gay rights... what you hear is correct. They (most of them) wish nothing more than to choke everyone to death with their religious points of view and pass laws that infringe on every-ones private lives. Why? Because "it is against their religion/God." *Groan, eyes rolling here.*

More crimes have been committed in the name of GOD than just about anything else in the history of our planet. IF God does exist he is ashamed of us... How could he not be?

PS I hate Obamma too... just for different reasons than most would assume.

[BlueLotus]

"Since Obama took office he and his minions have done all they can to shove America down the slippery slope of socialism by either trying to restrict our individual rights or pass new laws that prevent capitalistic businesses from knowing from one minute to the next what new efforts will be made to prevent them from having enough money left over to feed themselves and engage in R&D or hire more workers."

Really? Hmm, I have a few key examples of why this laissez-faire approach does NOT work Enron, Wall Street, Madoff. I could go on and on and on but; it would just be redundant at this point.

[Richard]

“The Vulcan Neck Pinch is not half as powerful as the Vulcan Groin Kick, but it's more politically correct” Star Trek

[bubblegum91]

@ Blue Lotus, I agree with your philosophy. To each their own. I am also Hindu, but I do attend Mass, if my friends go that is.
I tend to disagree with the Republicans' stances, if what the media says is true.
I don't want to paint all Conservatives with the same brush, though. But then, you guys have more information on the subject than I do.

And I agree, most atrocities are committed in the name of God, whatever name people attribute to Him.
*shakes head in shame*
Prejudice perplexes me, of course everyone has a bit of it. It's human nature. But it can blind people to the truth. Hate has caused so many deaths, and are mostly justified by the Bible or the Vedas or the Q'aran or any other Holy Book.

Have you noticed that when a person takes every word in their Holy Book seriously they often drift away from the actual messages? Like Peace, Compassion, Love ect. Not all the time mind you.

On your politics, it's been interesting to learn of the different perspectives. Do you have independent party's, too?
We have quite a few, from very "Liberal" to you guys (which is actually what we call Conservative) ie The Sex Party, The Party Party.
Then there's the Greens. Usually seen as more concerned for the environment, though has some interesting policy ideas. And of course, our own "religious right" The Family First Party. Though their narrow definition pretty much excludes more than half my friends' families and they're Christian!

I agree, politics should never mix with religion, whatever that religion may be. We are trying to fight back against this here.

@ Richard, Lol. Just pictured Spock getting kicked in the groin haha. (Not a trekkie btw. Haven't even seen the tv series)

[BlueLotus]

Bubble Gum,

There are two parties here for the most part. We do have the "tea party" which are in all honestly just republicans who would love to destroy any law that upsets their delicate Christan sensibilities.

There is also the 99%'ers, ultra liberal cats who want some serious changes made to force business into acting fairly and with the best interest of the communities they operate in IE the USA, and the people who work for them. IE Stop union busting and pay a fair living wage, with adjustments for inflation etc. They are starting to show something that resembles chops as well... You might know them as the leaders of the Occupy movement.

However, for the most part you have the Dem's and the Repub's Both of whom I have lost all respect for.

My country is in serious need of something so drastically new that it might require the use of extreme force to implement. But, again these are just my opinions.

There is the "Green Peace Party", and the "Independents". However, I would eat my hat if someone could name any one of them aside from Ross P. without google searching.

And if I end up eating my hat I'd toss in a set of shoes if they could coherently state the parties political platform, and the runners track record.

Our elections are bought and paid for here. He whom has the most cash at the end of the day wins. Mainly because... More cash allows them to sling more shit than the other guy, they keep slinging until something, anything sticks.

It is in a word SHAMEFUL

Hope that helps.

[spookwriter]

The above several posts (with the exception of Richard) are living proof that it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt.

[BlueLotus]

Those who can not handel a political conversation should not stick their noses into one...

You are free to think as you like, just as anyone else. However, there is ZERO room for name calling here.
Just remember I and others have fought to give you the right to think as you do.

Have a Nice Day!

[spookwriter]

You fought for me? I'm the guy who fought for all of you having been in the US Army, held a steady job, and paid taxes for over 4 decades while you were doing all you could to diss this country and take everything you could from the government. Remember, little girl, the government has no money of its own. IT COMES FROM US TAXPAYERS!!!! By the way, it's handle, not handel.

[BlueLotus]

Former US Navy, I own my own business, and have paid taxes since I was 16.

Tip of the day: Check the flavor of the kool aid before taking a sip.

However, it is nice to see you getting so uppity over transposed letters... Interesting to see how people crack when someone challenges their point of view.

If the best you can do is make veiled references to imagined youth, and lack of experience, name call, and sling poo (read random pointless insults) until you get a rise out of people I suggest you refrain from viewing this particular topic.

Little girl eh, well your mostly correct I am short...

Good Day ;D

[Richard]

Dec 11, 2011 13:55:45 GMT -5 BlueLotus said:

More crimes have been committed in the name of GOD than just about anything else in the history of our planet.

Actually, that statement isn't even close to being true.

www.attacreport.com/ar_diagrams/genocide.php

www.adherents.com/largecom/communist_mortality.html

Adolf Hitler: “…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145

There are many quotes from Hitler against Christianity, and Judaism. While he was a baptized catholic, his nationalism is what motivated his actions. Just like today.

Many people do not realize that more atrocities have been committed in the name of self, or national interest, than in any other name. I don't think any numbers top communist Russia or China's history in this regard.

[BlueLotus]

Well IDK Richard, if you take a hard look at these issues a lot of these crimes were done under both. Which technically makes you correct... However there are other crimes that don't make the history books. Cross burnings, name calling, things of that nature.

But, Point taken. I will give you the point for that bit. At least until I have some hard numbers I could use as debate material.

I don't see that happening any time soon, as it would be nearly impossible to locate and record each instance where religion was the motivating / contributing factor for even the smallest of crimes, through out human history.