Girl beaten and gang-raped on bus

[BlueLotus]

You do know that donated blood is screened for all types of ickys before it ever makes it to you right???
As for the environment, do you think that your veggies don't harm it? How about all the pesticides and ferts they dump on crops that end up in the ground water? Don't own light bulbs??? If you do the sand ect used to make it harms the air quality, not to mention the coal, or nuclear power needed to run it. Have kids? You can take a bow for helping contribute to urban sprawl and over population...
Bottom line I don't care what you do because it is not my business.
Opinion are a lot like arm pits we all have them and they tend to stink. -_- They should be kept to ones self. Like Mother aways said if you've nothing nice to say, it is better to say nothing at all.

[The Tourist]

Jan 9, 2013 23:20:27 GMT -5 BlueLotus said:

Bottom line I don't care what you do because it is not my business.

Fair enough. But I notice by your sig that you are female.

I hold a Wisconsin CCW license. This does not give me powers of a sworn officer. We do not have a 'stand your ground' clause in our CCW provision, just a 'castle doctrine.'

While state law does not allow my attacker to sue me civilly if I maim him in my defense, I can be arrested by police--even during a righteous shooting--until a complete investigation is finished. I can lose my CCW privilege. I will most certainly will be vilified in the press, especially if my attacker is ethnic.

So, I come across you being raped. For all I know you and your husband are role playing. If the guy is a felon, and as you state, it is not my business to judge you for not being armed. You might be a Quaker.

To the contrary, I can get into a world of hurt and expense (I will need an attorney in any course, and smart man seeks an appointment with medical personnel to be treated for PTSD) if I discharge my weapon.

It is in my best interest to do nothing.

So there we are. You are being raped for the legitimate free choices you have made. I am free--and required by the laws governing my CCW license--to limit my involvement in crime.

So how do you feel--there being beaten and raped--and the last thing you see is my bike's taillight, pulling away for my personal safety?

Believe it or not, the police officer who conducted my CCW training, and he's a veteran of 30 years in law enforcement, says that's prudent conduct. Frankly, I'm not going to risk a paper-cut in defending a liberal who seeks to disarm me, anyway.

But is this the society you want to live in?

[jacklawson]

Jan 9, 2013 23:20:27 GMT -5 BlueLotus said:

You do know that donated blood is screened for all types of ickys before it ever makes it to you right???

Blood testing not effective for HIV/AIDS
They're looking for HIV/AIDS antibodies when they test the blood. But these aren't present if the blood donor has recently contacted the deadly disease. There's a reason sodomy has been taboo worldwide since the dawn of time. Quite apart from the moral issue, it's an extremely unhealthy practice.

As for it not being anybody's business what the other guy does, think again. None of us are islands. The homosexual lobby is promoting itself to our kids, and it's catching on. Many teenagers now believe it's "cool" to be "bi." Will you still hold onto that philosophy BlueLotus -- nobody's business what the other guy does -- if your own kids are solicited in this way and encouraged to attend gay "pride" parades? What goes round comes round.

[Lily]

"Defense lawyer in India rape case blames victim, says 'respectable' women in India are not raped: The lawyer for three of the five men accused of raping and torturing a 23-year-old student aboard a bus in New Delhi last month said the victim and her male friend should not have been out on the streets together at night."
www.nydailynews.com/news/world/tk-article-1.1236369

[BlueLotus]

Lily, Tour and Jackson First let me start you with Tour. I have been raped dear I well know the issues it comes with.
I do not want to take your gun or anyone else's aside from the bad guys away! I'm likely to shoot the person who tries to take mine....
Jackson Heterosexuals never get HIV/AIDS right??? Get real.
Lily, the Indian culture is very strange in some places. Most of it is antiquated and makes no sense even being a patriarchal society. Hubby's family is "ultra progressive" even though he comes from one of the biggest cities in the world. His parents said that their paper ran a whole big story about how their son married a "gori" and that it was not very kindly in tone. They took the time to reassure me that they did not hold the same beliefs.
Things in India tend to change very very slowly. But part of the problem is that while women are educated and they do work men still feel as if they are someone superior in every way even over their female bosses... Part of it is bad rearing. Parents teach their children right from wrong and rarely do they bother to teach their children that in toady's world these things just don't fly. Not all of them are like this but again decent people don't make sensational headlines.
When I go to India Hubby won't let me go out to the yard alone, nor will his father allow MIL out there alone either; for safety... When you have more than a billion people mostly men all of whom were raised to think that if a girl is alone she is asking for it it makes being a chick hard. But rest assured things are changing. There are many people who are teaching their kids that violence is not OK and the ladies are to be treated with high regard. Things are better for them in the south at this point in the north there is still a lot of work to be done.
Traditions take a long time to forget sadly.

[The Tourist]

BlueLotus, the members here might also have been exposed to pain and loss. The overall idea of freedom still guides our decisions.

For example, a guy I rode with, Lenny Stone, was shot and killed by a rival motorcycle gang in 1979. Stupid incident. A confrontation in a saloon turned ugly, then fists flew, than the rival ran, Lenny chased him, the rival pulled a gun and shot Lenny in the head.

Hundreds of bikers went to his funeral, and we all knew a shake-out would follow. The perimeter was ringed with cops and the FBI.

This is how gang wars start. In fact, it got so bad that now the Angels and The Outlaws have tried to clearly define turf, much like the five Mafia families.

But even with all of that fear, hatred, loss and having to face our new world, we all know it's not "the gun."

My concern is not the hardware, per se, but the guys with an agenda who will use tragedy to advance there careers. Ever see a conflict on TV involving civil rights issues for a woman? Within days, a airplane lands at her local airport, and the first ones off are Jesse Jackson and Gloria Allred.

In fact, I wrote a PM to admin that I think we should get back to writing our stories. Rapes, self defense concerns and internal squabbling feed the flames for these idiots.

I cannot undo your attack. I cannot bring Lenny back to life. But I can ensure that our freedoms continue and that opportunistic bottom-feeders are always blunted. And I am painfully aware of how my CCW provision was built with the mortar of innocent suffering like yours.

My wife has a police woman's purse and a SW 642. Try raping that.

[dervish]

Jan 14, 2013 6:20:20 GMT -5 BlueLotus said:

Jackson Heterosexuals never get HIV/AIDS right??? Get real.

Sure straights get HIV/AIDS, and they get it from bi males and gays.

[Lily]

Jan 14, 2013 6:20:20 GMT -5 BlueLotus said:

Lily, Tour and Jackson First let me start you with Tour. I have been raped dear I well know the issues it comes with.
I do not want to take your gun or anyone else's aside from the bad guys away! I'm likely to shoot the person who tries to take mine....
Jackson Heterosexuals never get HIV/AIDS right??? Get real.
Lily, the Indian culture is very strange in some places. Most of it is antiquated and makes no sense even being a patriarchal society. Hubby's family is "ultra progressive" even though he comes from one of the biggest cities in the world. His parents said that their paper ran a whole big story about how their son married a "gori" and that it was not very kindly in tone. They took the time to reassure me that they did not hold the same beliefs.
Things in India tend to change very very slowly. But part of the problem is that while women are educated and they do work men still feel as if they are someone superior in every way even over their female bosses... Part of it is bad rearing. Parents teach their children right from wrong and rarely do they bother to teach their children that in toady's world these things just don't fly. Not all of them are like this but again decent people don't make sensational headlines.
When I go to India Hubby won't let me go out to the yard alone, nor will his father allow MIL out there alone either; for safety... When you have more than a billion people mostly men all of whom were raised to think that if a girl is alone she is asking for it it makes being a chick hard. But rest assured things are changing. There are many people who are teaching their kids that violence is not OK and the ladies are to be treated with high regard. Things are better for them in the south at this point in the north there is still a lot of work to be done.
Traditions take a long time to forget sadly.

We tend to forget such different social systems still exist, especially in light of India's success in the computer field, which gives a modern impression. There was a time, of course, in the West, when "respectable" women didn't go out alone either. We take the ability to wander around freely, in relative freedom, so much for granted.

Also, I would have thought that women in India would be treated better than their counterparts in Pakistan. Hindus and Sikhs seemed more progressive than Muslims, in that regard.