Lily
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Post by Lily on Jan 4, 2013 21:46:46 GMT -5
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Post by The Tourist on Jan 5, 2013 9:54:24 GMT -5
I can think of two diverse tactics to quell things like this. Morality and handguns.
Several years ago a college questionnaire posed the question, "Would you rape a girl if you could get away with it?" Over 1/3 responded "yes."
These are the men we are raising? A few months ago, a barista at the coffee bar my wife and I patronize asked me to sell her a "combat knife." While I did, I also confronted her stalker, a co-worker. My wife was furious because since the young woman had not filed a police report--and there was officially no crime--the coffee bar did not fire him.
He still works there.
We see immorality, and rather than be mentors, we wuss because tackling big problems can now be solved with situational ethics.
If that cannot be accomplished, just shoot them. Self defense is legal here, unlike Britain. There should be no shame in the instance of rape. To add, there should also be no shame in killing or maiming the attacker.
I'm a very good shot, I've been a combat and target shooter for almost 40 years. I qualified for my CCW license with a pistol I had not touched in 12 years.
Having said that, I know I'm going to flinch when confronting a rapist, and chances are my shots will hit "very low."
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Post by Lily on Jan 5, 2013 15:15:34 GMT -5
Self defense is legal here, unlike Britain. Self defense is also illegal in Canada. Even if you find a burgler in your home you cannot defend yourself against him. You'll be charged with criminal manslaughter if you kill him. If he survives the bullet, he'll file a civil suit against you for the use of deadly force. Incredible, I know, yet sadly true.  The gun laws are also crazy in Canada. You can own a handgun if you belong to a gun club, and you pass the licensing requirements. However, you cannot remove the gun from the club. But criminals and gangs have no problem getting weapons and are armed to the teeth and engaging in shoot outs on the streets. |
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Post by Christie Bremmer on Jan 6, 2013 0:15:45 GMT -5
That's weird that they expect you to do nothing while a burglar does what he likes to yourself and your family and your fricken home.  |
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Post by vixon on Jan 6, 2013 1:58:52 GMT -5
Yeah and if the criminal hurts you he'll get away with it. But if you defend yourself you'll end up in jail. It's a crazy world. Thank god for the castle law in the US.
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Post by kelly on Jan 6, 2013 19:55:59 GMT -5
I hope her murderers get what they deserve. |
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Post by marcel on Jan 7, 2013 4:21:37 GMT -5
I hope her murderers get what they deserve. I second that but no matter what happens to them it won't bring the girl back. |
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Post by BlueLotus on Jan 7, 2013 5:31:44 GMT -5
Blaming the vic... never a good idea. Why is that we teach women to not get raped but we don't teach men to not rape in the first place? Nope sorry I disagree, you know nothing about their culture, had she just allowed it she would be shamed for all time, unable to marry, hold a job and her family would disown her. Some families are more progressive but not many. Research the laws and lack of enforcement, research the culture of her sect, you will see that she had no options, death, or shame and death. No competition really. |
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Post by Lily on Jan 7, 2013 21:08:16 GMT -5
This poor girl was not well served by anyone. After she'd been thrown from the bus, naked and bleeding, she was ignored by passers-by, and when the police finally arrived they spent half-an-hour arguing over jurisdiction. Plus, the hospital should have transferred her much sooner to Singapore! The police, however, dispute this version of events. www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/01/201315202433657395.html |
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Post by The Tourist on Jan 7, 2013 23:30:43 GMT -5
Lily, one of my friends, Mike Crenshaw is a moderator with the handle "HSO" on the forum "The High Road." His sig line is, "When seconds count the police are minutes away." We have mentioned decorum, morality, and the cruelty of the attack. Your sig line mentions 'political correctness,' and that's an issue here. Police don't want to get involved, or at best, they want to double check any procedure that might get them into trouble. For example, we have something in Madison called "community policing." In short, that means the police have to ask a black man's permission to arrest him. Oh, I'm not kidding. One of my buddies at the gym is a Dane County Sheriffs Deputy. He told me that time after time the perpetrators at a crime shooting have Chicago addresses on their ID, and they clearly are involved in drug gang wars. But despite surveillance videos of gangs shooting it out in broad daylight in city parks, they are somewhat hamstrung because all of the participants are black. Recently a local city officer was attacked by a drunk reaching for his sidearm. The drunk was shot and killed. Despite the cop being cleared by our DA, the press and citizens are still hollering for his head. In short, if you're assuming that the cops, 'concerned citizens,' the restraint of rapists or your guardian angel will help you during an attack like this, quit deluding yourself. No one cares if you die this way. www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0_QSmxKJ8M |
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Post by Lily on Jan 8, 2013 1:51:26 GMT -5
In short, if you're assuming that the cops, 'concerned citizens,' the restraint of rapists or your guardian angel will help you during an attack like this, quit deluding yourself. No one cares if you die this way. www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0_QSmxKJ8MI couldn't agree more. We have to rely on ourselves. Nobody else gives a flying fig about us. And I tell you something else, we all either live, or have lived with strangers. We can never really know another person.  This has reminded me to stock up on bottled water and emergency supplies again. I live in an earthquake zone. Anyone who thinks emergency services will come to their aid is in for a nasty shock. (remember Katrina?) It's every man for himself. Always has been. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluded. I'm going to check out "The High Road," it sounds interesting. I believe the ability to defend ourselves is a basic human right. Of course, not everyone agrees. As for political correctness, it doesn't have any place in a sensible society let alone in law enforcement or the military. You can't send soldiers overseas to fight with one hand tied behind their backs. It's a no win, no win. |
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Post by jacklawson on Jan 8, 2013 3:36:10 GMT -5
Political correctness is the manifesto of liberals, who are directly responsible for the decline in social values and the destruction of the West. It's nice to have you with us again Tourist, we conservatives have to stick together.
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Post by The Tourist on Jan 8, 2013 9:09:16 GMT -5
Political correctness is the manifesto of liberals, we conservatives have to stick together. I was going through radio programs while sleepless one night at about 2:00AM. I chanced across a liberal radio talk show that defined non-union dues paying members of a company as "freeloaders." Well, I think there's a reverse condition. When I sit in the coffee bar, all of the liberal patrons who sit there safe and protected are freeloaders, as well. Let's suppose that another "Joker in Kevlar" entered the cafe' and pulled out a cavalcade of weaponry. Even clad in that fashion, a few blunt force shots to the head would kill him immediately. Or, I could just leave the store with my wife through a side door and let the havoc begin. In Madison, Wisconsin I would be vilified in either scenario. I would chastised for either being a gun nut if I acted, or letting an unshaken political cowboy attitude once again punish society if I didn't. Oh, bullets and Kevlar? Most liberals do not know about blunt force trauma. Yet, they claim that only "professionals" should have firearms. Well, I've been instructed by several police officers (one was a drug interdiction sniper), soldiers and varmint shooters, and I can hit a full sized man at a few yards. I've been shooting and reloading for 40 years. I'm converting my CCW firearm to a .380 ACP SIG "diamond plate" P238, but the revolver below is what I carried yesterday. Yes, that's picture of my actual revolver, snapped on a micro-fiber cloth. It's a .357 Magnum SW 360PD. Merciful heavens, it's loaded! Imagine that...  |
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Post by BlueLotus on Jan 8, 2013 21:55:27 GMT -5
Political correctness is the manifesto of liberals, who are directly responsible for the decline in social values and the destruction of the West. I'm going to disagree with you here. I have done nothing to harm society at large, I treat people with respect, and likewise treat them as they treat me.... Rude people get rude reactions. If someone has an issue with someone I suggest that someone look first at themselves, it's been my experience that is usually where the main problem lay. Having said that I am very liberal in my point of view, I don't care what anyone else is up to so long as they are not hurting anyone. I don't care about their money or lack there of, their skin color, religion or political creed. I honestly could not care less if they have a gun or love someone of the same gender... If they are leaving people alone, then I can do the same for them. However when one starts cramming their system down other peoples throats and forcing laws to change that remove my rights all because they wish it to be I tend to take great offense. I also get upset when we start allowing bad people to do bad things in the name of being PC. PC was not meant to be used in that way. It was to force people to stop and think before speaking, a modern day if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all... I don't run around calling Black people that N word because it is hurtful and rude, I don't call people with handicaps names for the same reason. I won't refuse to assist someone in need if I am able to help, because I'm a human and try to leave things better than how I found them. But I can't expect everyone to feel the same way. Here is how I look at life in general: If you don't like smoking don't smoke and don't sit in the area we are at, don't like drunks don't drink or go where they tend to gather. Don't like religion don't go to church, don't like kids don't have them. If you don't like homosexuality don't have a homosexual relationship, don't like guns don't get one but don't take mine away from me because of your personal feelings. Don't force your system of values on me or others and we will get along just fine.  So long as I'm not breaking the law or hurting anyone you have no say in what I do just as I have no say in yours if you are doing the same. To me life is pretty simple. And that my friends is a real liberal. The rest are full of it. |
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Post by The Tourist on Jan 9, 2013 17:53:10 GMT -5
Having said that I am very liberal in my point of view, I don't care what anyone else is up to so long as they are not hurting anyone. I don't care about their money or lack there of, their skin color, religion or political creed. I honestly could not care less I understand your opinion, and I hear the postulate. But I feel you're going to get your heart broken, and this altruistic view will hurt us all. For example, take cigarette smoking. It doesn't effect us non-smokers at face value, but it does. Not counting second-hand smoke, it causes litter, wears down needed soil for crops, and fills up medical facilities with people happy to suck up your ObamaBilk tax money. In general, a guy that doesn't care much about himself won't give squat about you. Here's another example. I hate guys that don't do research, they just want to be part of the trend--like Prius owners. I doubt any of them do research at all. Where do they think electricity comes from? The wing beats of virgin butterflies? No, it comes from dynamos belching coal soot. You might not care about them, but clearly you're not among their concerns either. You know the old canard, no man is an island, that is, except for Napoleon, St. John and Marlon Brando in his later years. I'd like to say that I don't really care if the rump rangers giggle themselves into an AIDS ward. But then I might need a transfusion someday. You have to care, every day, and care passionately. If we ignore seemingly disjointed issues, then someday Dianne Feinstein is going to disarm the man needed to kill your wife's rapist. |
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The gun laws are also crazy in Canada. You can own a handgun if you belong to a gun club, and you pass the licensing requirements. However, you cannot remove the gun from the club. But criminals and gangs have no problem getting weapons and are armed to the teeth and engaging in shoot outs on the streets. 
So long as I'm not breaking the law or hurting anyone you have no say in what I do just as I have no say in yours if you are doing the same.