Lily
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Post by Lily on Apr 30, 2012 1:01:34 GMT -5
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Post by thetourist on Apr 30, 2012 9:58:40 GMT -5
Heck, Wisconsin doesn't even have a 'stand your ground' clause to our CCW provision. Now, there are going to be muggers, and I'd hate to hold an "interview" with the felon before I defend myself.
"Excuse me, Mr. Mugger, but are you black or of mixed race? If I just throw cash at you--you're not getting my wallet with my ID or home address--will you go away or just try to kill me to rid yourself of a witness? Do you plan to rape and kill my wife after I'm dead? Do you have any PTSD problems, issues of bedwetting, or a sleep deprivation history that might have you adjudicated as a nutball and make me look like the aggressor? Do you understand this verbal exchange? Because this firearm is loaded with Eldorado hollowpoints, I'm not giving in, and you'll probably die here long before an ambulance arrives..."
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Lily
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Post by Lily on Apr 30, 2012 17:08:22 GMT -5
Every State seems to have different laws when it comes to guns. I recall that in Oregon it's not legal to carry a handgun in a car, unless it's in the trunk!!! So much like your scenario, Tourist: "Hey Mr. Mad Hitch hiker -- who jumped into my car when I stopped at a railway crossing -- please wait right there while I get out and fetch my gun from the trunk!!!!!!"
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Post by thetourist on May 1, 2012 8:55:46 GMT -5
My wife is your typical suburban girl who turns a blind eye to our ever increasing problems in society. My belief is that just because you're a victim it does not mean you cannot be a victor. Then again, as a bike club member I probably have some insulation to aggressive panhandlers, drug addled muggers and your common general idiot drunken townie.
My wife and I do go to a B&N coffee bar. Nice quiet place, managers always afoot, surveillance cameras, etc. My wife was distressed to find out that a sexual assault happened in the bathrooms there a few days ago. She seems shocked, my take on it was, "Well, what do you expect"
I got my CCW license right away. She hasn't even made an appointment or signed onto the waiting list. Yet, on two separate occasions (a schizo patient and a gang banger) she stood behind me safely. Now, I don't mind taking a punch or doing my duty as a husband, but what if I was not there at the time?
One of the places for mass shootings is in churches. There are no more safe places. There are simply safety procedures.
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Post by Lily on May 1, 2012 15:18:38 GMT -5
You're right, nowhere is safe any more. People have been gunned down in schools, the workplace, shopping malls, restaurants, parks, on the streets, and even in their own homes. This is a horrific story about a woman sitting watching TV in her own living room, when she was hit by a stray bullet from a gang shoot-out. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2005/10/31/shootout-051031.htmlThere are so many cases of mistaken identity in gang ordered hits. For instance, a Vancouver home, with no gang affiliations was suddenly riddled by bullets. The reason: the gunman was at the wrong address. The house he was supposed to target was down the block. Another man with no ties to gangs went to a restaurant washroom and never came out. He was gunned down by a shoot-out between two gangsters. One had been in the washroom when the victim entered, and the shooter arrived a few minutes later. And in yet another frightful case of mistaken identity, an innocent victim was gunned down while taking his dog for a walk in a neighbourhood park. The gangster they meant to target was on TV the next day berating the shooters and taunting them. Something has gone terribly wrong with this brave new world.
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Post by kelly on May 2, 2012 14:24:37 GMT -5
There's a thread about this over at AW and man are they dumber than dumb. Their argument is that Zimmerman, gun drawn, chased after Martin and gunned him down!!!!!!!!!! Believe it. Here's the link, check for yourselves. absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7241394&posted=1#post7241394You can't make "assumptions" I was told, (LOL) Yet some bozo stated that Zimmerman could not have drawn his gun while he was lying flat on his back with Martin on top of him. (OMG) Now if that isn't an assumption, I don't know what is! So I provided a link which proved you could draw a gun while someone had you face-down and was on top of you!!!! Which would be considerably more difficult. I was then told that was off-topic and irrelevant. What is the IQ level over there anyway? Abysmally low, obviously. They're dead set on painting Zimmerman as the big bad evil ogre and Martin as the tiny angelic little angel boy. Incredible stupidity and myopia. You can't have a decent discussion over there, their left wing bias and agenda gets in the way. And man, are they unfair. The same set of rules in no way applies to all. Anyway, I'd heard that AW were a bunch of unwashed lefties, the moderation was heavy-handed and partisan and that you had to be an ass kisser to fit in. Now I've found out for myself this is correct. And as I don't like bigoted buffoons with narrow minds. I won't be going back there.
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Post by greg on May 2, 2012 14:55:20 GMT -5
AW is like a gulag in Stalinist Russia. The political philosophy fits right in. They're a mob of ignorant assholes.
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Post by jacklawson on May 2, 2012 16:56:47 GMT -5
So Kelly the only one that made any sense on that thread is banned? Oy gads. l Figures tho at that crummy place. Communists aren't big on human rights and democracy.
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Post by greenwriter on May 2, 2012 17:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by Lily on May 2, 2012 18:17:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't call this a race crime, implying as it does that Zimmerman shot the victim because he was black. Although, I do believe he perceived him as more of a threat because of his colour, which does bring the issue of race into the equation. But then US government stats indicate that black men do commit substantively more crimes than whites. In one report from the Government of Connecticut it states: "This data indicates that the arrest rate for blacks for murder was 10 to 15 times as high as for whites, five to six times the rate for whites for sexual assault, eight to nine times as high for robbery, four to five times as high for aggravated assault, and between two to three times as high for burglary." www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htmThese are also interesting points made by a US Congressman, in regard to the shooting, and the subsequent reward offered by the New Black Panthers for Zimmerman's capture. "Rep. Allen West, who has previously decried the police “mishandling” of the Trayvon Martin shooting as an “outrage” and called for a Justice Department investigation, on Wednesday found himself wondering why that very same Justice Department isn’t treating the New Black Panther Party’s bounty for the man who shot Martin as a “hate crime." www.texasinsider.org/?p=60347It's impossible to understand why someone of Zimmerman's size, and he was also armed, felt so intimidated by one much smaller teenager. I can't believe that the victim attacked him. A police video shows Zimmerman at the time of his arrest, and he doesn't appear to have any facial injuries, etc. This is a terrible tragedy. I feel so sorry for the parents of the slain teenager. I can't imagine how they must be feeling right now. There's nothing more precious than a son. Okay, I just wanted to update the bolded statements in the last paragraph. Martin was much larger than previously reported. In fact, he was taller than Zimmerman, and not that much lighter. "According to the Sanford police incident report of Trayvon Martin's death, he was 6'0" tall and weighed 160 pounds; however, his family said he was actually 6-foot-3 and weighed at most 150 pounds." "Zimmerman's height is shown as 5'8" and his weight as 185 pounds on his Seminole County Sheriff's Office Inmate Booking Information dated 4/11/2012" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Trayvon_MartinAnd of course, we have since seen the extent of Zimmerman's injuries. His head was a horror show, with multiple bloody gashes. Martin must have really been banging it without mercy on the ground. It's a wonder Zimmerman didn't lose consciousness, and if he had of done he might have been the one who ended up dead. What a tragic event.
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Post by john on May 2, 2012 18:21:16 GMT -5
I hope the trial gets to the truth. Certainly, our news propagandists have lied to us so many times, just on this one case, I can’t believe a thing they print.
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Post by thetourist on May 2, 2012 18:26:38 GMT -5
AW is like a gulag in Stalinist Russia. The political philosophy fits right in. They're a mob of ignorant assholes. I agree. If you look, I resigned from there. I just didn't want to be associated with the place.
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Post by Lily on May 2, 2012 18:27:43 GMT -5
This photograph of Zimmerman and Martin, which has been widely circulated by the media, is extremely outdated. Zimmerman was some 7 years younger and much heaver in it, and Martin was only fourteen years old! This is an up-to-date photograph of both men.
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Post by kelly on May 2, 2012 18:50:02 GMT -5
Now they're posting a pack of lies about me. (And they call me a troll) They claim I sent them an abusive PM. (I did not!) These lies are in retaliation, I would imagine, for what I've said on here. I sent them the link to this thread, to demonstrate how other writers feel about the Zimmerman/Martin case, and also how AW appears to other more moderate writers. It really makes me wonder what the average education level is over there. Not very high by the looks of it. Their comprehension skills are next to zero. No matter how slowly you explain something to the stupid beasts they just don't get it. Yet they say I'm not the brightest bulb in the closet! The question is, are they really that dumb or just pretending to be?
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Post by avery on May 2, 2012 20:05:23 GMT -5
I've never been comfortable with extremists regardless of their political stripe, and AW is redder than red. It's all that anti-Christian rhetoric that really turns me off though. They seem to hate whites, Christians, and anyone who doesn't vote Democrat.
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