Lily
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Post by Lily on Sept 26, 2012 18:36:34 GMT -5
www.theprovince.com/news/Conservative+abortion+motion+defeated/7303374/story.htmlThis is an issue that will never go away. And with so much talk today about "human rights", it's a bit ironical that the unborn have none. To give them such rights, of course, would be inconvenient for their mothers. There shouldn't be any need for abortion. We all know how babies are made, so if we don't want to get pregnant, the smart money is on not indulging. Birth control methods are fairly reliable, but there are no guarantees. We hear so much today about the woman's "right to choose," but what about the unborn's "right to live?" I don't believe abortion should be outlawed entirely, but we certainly need to dismantle the current abortion mill that denigrates the sanctity of human life, and casts a pall over the whole of society. It is encouraging the unscrupulous to use abortion as a method of birth control. If procuring an abortion wasn't quite as unconditional and easy as it is right now, they might exercise a bit of self-control, and think twice before doing the wild thing.
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Post by jacklawson on Sept 27, 2012 19:08:54 GMT -5
How can a country call itself civilized while allowing wholesale abortion? Restrictions have been placed on it in Arizona and I think Texas, and hey it was long overdue.
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Richard
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Post by Richard on Sept 27, 2012 22:01:10 GMT -5
How can a country call itself civilized while allowing wholesale abortion? Restrictions have been placed on it in Arizona and I think Texas, and hey it was long overdue. Okay, I'm a guy. I don't tell women what to do, nor will I try. But, this is not a political issue. If it is a matter of a crime, then I think flexibility needs to be considered. If it is irresponsibility, then the parties concerned need to be accountable. www.lifenews.com/2012/09/25/shock-black-babies-comprise-78-of-abortions-in-mississippi/78% black baby abortions in Miss.? What is the real issue? Is this something to be proud of? It is not a "black and white" topic. It is a shame of a throw away society.
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Post by Lily on Sept 29, 2012 20:29:13 GMT -5
We hear so much about a woman's "right to choose" and that it is her body. But she cannot kill that body, legally. Suicide is against the law in most jurisdictions. Yet it is legal for her to kill her unborn child. Does that make any sense? wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_attempting_to_commit_suicide_illegalI'd just like to repeat here, that I'm not in favour of outlawing abortion completely. I'd hate to think of a desperate woman ending up at a back street butcher. But there needs to be some sort of control over what's taking place now. For instance, no abortions should be performed after 20 weeks of pregnancy, and restrictions should be placed on how many abortions one woman can have. The fact is some of them are having multiple abortions. Here is the case of one woman who had 15! www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=34666
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Post by Richard on Sept 30, 2012 6:33:31 GMT -5
I don't push any particular view on this subject either. But I do remember one class I had in college where the professor started by bringing up a controversial subject to start off with. People would then take turns in soft debate while she facilitated it. Loved that class.
Abortion, of course, was one subject.
By the time it got around to me, I approached it from a slightly different angle. I put a question out there that never got an answer in return by anyone from either side of the subject, including the teacher.
I asked, "If a woman was pregnant, and someone deliberately caused her injury with that knowledge, would that person be liable for manslaughter, or destruction of personal property, if the baby died? Or, would it be nothing more than personal injury?"
"If you say manslaughter, or destruction of personal property, then if that woman chooses to deliberately injure the baby herself, is she as guilty as if someone else did it to her? Or, is it different because it is her personal property?"
The discussion ended and nobody answered.
The biggest shame is that this subject is so politicized.
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Post by Lily on Sept 30, 2012 13:42:30 GMT -5
I asked, "If a woman was pregnant, and someone deliberately caused her injury with that knowledge, would that person be liable for manslaughter, or destruction of personal property, if the baby died? Or, would it be nothing more than personal injury?" "If you say manslaughter, or destruction of personal property, then if that woman chooses to deliberately injure the baby herself, is she as guilty as if someone else did it to her? Or, is it different because it is her personal property?" Excellent point, Richard. And yes, they would be charged with child destruction. There was a tragic case of this recently, in England. "Man charged with killing pregnant woman and her unborn baby days before she was due to give birth. Tony McLernon, 23, accused of killing Eystna Blunnie, 20, who was found fatally injured next to a busy road in Harlow, Essex. Also faces charge of child destruction after it emerged Ms Blunnie was heavily pregnant." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165967/Harlow-Murder-Tony-McLernon-charged-killing-pregnant-woman-Eystna-Blunnie-unborn-baby.htmlYet as you pointed out, if this woman had destroyed the baby herself, there would be no charges. It's crazy isn't it? Makes no sense at all.
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